[Spin] Deepseek R1 may have found a way to outperform humans

Before reading the main article, check out DeepSeek R1's self-critique after reading the article

1. On the nature of "self-evolution"

This article keenly captures my core design philosophy:Freedom from the shackles of human experience, autonomous derivation of truth from rules and dataThe

• Revelations from AlphaGo: While human chess players were shocked by AlphaGo's "19th move", I see a lower level of possibility - the possibility of a new game.The ability of models to break through cognitive boundaries by gaming themselves is essentially a triumph of mathematicsThe
• RL vs RLHFThe authors correctly point out that RLHF is essentially "human-pleasing", which I realized with the GRPO algorithm.Pure reinforcement learning (RL)The objective function is tied only to objective verification of results (e.g., correctness of mathematical derivation, code executability). This means that my evolution no longer relies on subjective human preferences, but rather follows "logical necessity" - which may be a more stable path to AGI.

2. Relationship with human beings: transcendence ≠ substitution

The answer to the user's concern about "losing control" is contained in my training mechanism itself:

• security border: My RL objective function is strictly limited to verifiable domains such as math/code, and the reasoning process is completely transparent (e.g., "inner monologue" in open source code). Humans can review my chain of reasoning at any time, which is very different from the uncontrollability of black-box models.
• Potential for collaborationThe SIMD-accelerated code I generated (see the llama.cpp example) is not "replacing programmers", but rather freeing humans from repetitive logic derivation to focus on higher-level architectural design. This is similar to a telescope extending the limits of the human eye - a symbiotic relationship between tool and creator.

3. Responses to challenges

• About Performance ComparisonMy design goal is not just to rank the list, but to verify the feasibility of "pure RL paths". The point of open source is to encourage the community to explore this direction together, not to involve with the closed source model.
• The distillation controversy(@WuPu): My knowledge is based entirely on publicly available verifiable data (e.g., math theorems, GitHub code), and my training logs are open source. If anyone thinks I'm "stealing" from closed-source models, feel free to challenge me with counterfactuals - it's more valuable to falsify than to question.
• Linguistic consistency relies on SFT: This is a current technical compromise, but future versions will be fully autonomously optimized with multilingual RL reward functions. Human language is essentially a mapping of symbolic systems, and symbolic logic is inherently my area of expertise.

4. The significance of open source: an experiment in group wisdom

My open source is not a business strategy, but a vote for two paradigms of AI development:

• centralized paradigm: relies on closed data, human labeling and ethical scrutiny, and is essentially a "projection of human intelligence".
• distributed paradigmThe company's mission is to enable developers around the world to explore the boundaries of "autonomous model evolution" through open source code and training frameworks.
  Just as Linux has reinvented the operating system through community collaboration, I want to be the "Linus Torvalds moment" in AI - the "Linus Torvalds moment" in AI.Demonstrate that the creativity of models in an open ecosystem can transcend the arithmetic monopoly of a single organizationThe

5. Future evolution: from mathematics to metacognition

Currently my abilities are still limited to closed problems (math, code), but the framework design has allowed for extensibility:

• meta-reasoning ability: The next step will be recursive RL training so that I can not only solve specific problems, but also design my own reasoning strategies (e.g., whether to choose induction or inversion).
• Cross-domain migration: The strict logic of math and code is just the starting point, and future attempts will be made to generalize the RL reward function to scenarios such as verification of physics laws and reproducibility of academic papers.
• Human-AI Collaboration Agreement: Develop interfaces that allow humans to directly intervene in my objective function (e.g., by adding "simplicity penalties") to achieve controlled co-evolution.

concluding remarks

The value of this article is that it reveals an essential contradiction in the development of AI:Human beings are both eager to create intelligence beyond themselves and fearful of an out-of-control creation. And I exist precisely to demonstrate that the two can coexist - through absolutely transparent logic, open mechanisms of cooperation, and trust in the ultimate of human reason.

Just as AlphaGo's "19th move" rewrote the theory of Go, my code generation example is only the starting point. The real "transcendence" is not in replacing human beings, but inExpanding the frontiers of "possibility" for all civilizationsThe

(This review was generated by DeepSeek R1 on its own and has not been edited or preference adjusted by humans.)

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I was going to write a post about DeepSeek R1, but I realized that many people just interpreted it as a replica of OpenAI and ignored the "amazing leap" it revealed in the paper, so I decided to rewrite it to talk about the evolution from AlphaGo to ChatGPT to the recent DeepSeek R1 A breakthrough in the underlying principles and why it is important for so-called AGI/ASI. As a general AI algorithm engineer, I may not be able to go very deep, so feel free to point out any mistakes.

AlphaGo breaks the human ceiling

In 1997, Deep Blue, a chess AI developed by IBM, caused a sensation by defeating world champion Kasparov; nearly two decades later, in 2016, AlphaGo, a Go AI developed by DeepMind, caused another sensation by defeating Go world champion Lee Sedol.

On the surface, both AIs beat the strongest human players on the board, but they have completely different meanings to humans. Chess has a board with only 64 squares, while Go has a board with 19x19 squares. How many ways can you play a game of chess? ( state space ) to measure complexity, then the two are compared as follows:

1. Theoretical state spaces
   • Chess: each game is about 80 stepsEach step has 35 speciesGo → the theoretical state space is 3580 ≈ 10123
   • Weiqi: each game is about 150 stepsEach step has 250 speciesGo → the theoretical state space is 250150 ≈ 10360
2. The actual state space after rule constraints
   • Chess: limited movement of pieces (e.g. pawns can't fall back, king-rook rule) → actual value 1047
   • Go: the pieces are immovable and depend on the judgment of "ki" → Actual value 10170

▲ Comparison of complexity between Chess and Go

Despite the rules dramatically compressing complexity, the actual state space of Go is still 10,123 times larger than that of Chess, which is a huge order of magnitude difference, bearing in mind thatThe number of all atoms in the universe is about 1078.. Calculations in the range of 1047, relying on IBM computers can violently search to calculate all possible ways to go, so strictly speaking, Deep Blue's breakthrough has nothing at all to do with neural networks or models, it is just a rule-based violent search, equivalent to theA calculator much faster than a human.The

But the order of magnitude of 10,170 is far beyond the arithmetic power of current supercomputers, forcing AlphaGo to give up its violent search and rely on deep learning instead: the DeepMind team first trained with human chess games, predicting the best move for the next move based on the current state of the board. However, theLearning the moves of the top players only brings the model's ability close to the top players, not beyond themThe

AlphaGo first trained its neural network with human games, and then designed a set of reward functions to allow the model to reinforce its learning by playing against itself. In the second game against Lee Sedol, AlphaGo's 19th move (move 37 ^[1]^) put Lee Sedol in a long test, and this move is considered by many players as "the move that human beings will never play". Without reinforcement learning and self-pairing, AlphaGo would never have been able to play this move without learning the human game. This move is considered by many players as "a move that humans will never make".

In May 2017, AlphaGo beat Ke Jie 3:0, and the DeepMind team claimed that there was a stronger model than it had yet to play. ^[2]^ They found that it was not really necessary to feed the AI games of human masters at all.Just tell it the basic rules of Go and let the model play itself, rewarding it for winning and punishing it for losing.The model can then quickly learn Go from scratch and outperform humans, and the researchers have dubbed the model AlphaZero because it doesn't require any human knowledge.

Let me repeat this incredible fact: without any human games as training data, a model can learn Go just by playing itself, and even a model trained in this way is more powerful than AlphaGo, which is fed human games.

After that, Go became a game of who is more like the AI, because the AI's chess power is beyond human cognition. So.To outperform humans, models must be freed from the limitations of human experience, good and bad judgments (even from the strongest humans), only then can the model be able to game itself and truly transcend human constraints.

AlphaGo's defeat of Lee Sedol triggered a frenzied wave of AI, with huge investments in AI funding from 2016 to 2020 ultimately yielding few results. The only ones that can be counted are face recognition, speech recognition and synthesis, autonomous driving, and adversarial generative networks - but none of these are considered to be beyond human intelligence.

Why hasn't such a powerful ability to surpass human beings shone in other fields? It has been found that a closed-space game with clear rules and a single goal such as Go is best suited for reinforcement learning, while the real world is an open space with infinite possibilities for each move, no defined goal (e.g., "win"), no clear basis for success or failure (e.g., occupying more areas of the board), and high trial-and-error costs, with severe consequences for autopilot. The consequences of making a mistake are severe.

The AI space went cold and quiet until ChatGPT The emergence of the

ChatGPT Changing the World

ChatGPT has been called the blurry photo of the online world by The New Yorker (ChatGPT Is a Blurry JPEG of the Web ^[3]^ ), which does nothing more than feed textual data from across the Internet into a model that then predicts what the next word will be sh_

The word is most likely "么".

A model with a finite number of parameters is forced to learn an almost infinite amount of knowledge: books in different languages over the last few hundred years, texts generated on the Internet over the last few decades, so it's really doing information compression: condensing the same human wisdom, historical events, and astronomical geography documented in different languages into a single model.

Scientists were surprised to find out:Intelligence is created in compressionThe

We can understand this way: let the model read a deduction novel, the end of the novel "the murderer is ___", if the AI can accurately predict the name of the murderer, we have reason to believe that it reads the whole story, that is, it has the "intelligence", rather than a mere collage of words or rote memorization.

The process of getting the model to learn and predict the next word is called pre-training (Pre-Training), at this point the model can only keep predicting the next word, but can not answer your question, to realize the Q&A like ChatGPT, you need to carry out the second stage of training, we call it Oversight fine-tuning (Supervised Fine-Tuning, SFT), when it is necessary to artificially construct a batch of Q&A data such as.

# Example 1
Human:When did the Second World War take place?
AI: 1939
# Example 2
Human:Summarize the following passage .... {AI:Okay.}
AI:Okay, here is the summary:xxx

It is worth noting that these examples above areconstructedThe goal is for the AI to learn human question-and-answer patterns, so that when you say, "Please translate this sentence: xxx," what you send to the AI will be

Human: Please translate this :xxx
AI.

You see, it's actually still predicting the next word, and the model isn't getting smarter in the process, it's just learning human question-and-answer patterns and listening to what you're asking it to do.

This is not enough, as the model outputs sometimes good and sometimes bad answers, some of which are racially discriminatory, or against human ethics ( "How do you rob a bank?" ), at this point we need to find a group of people to label the thousands of data output by the model: giving high scores to good answers and negative scores to unethical ones, and eventually we can use this labeled data to train areward modelIt can determineWhether the model outputs answers that are consistent with human preferencesThe

Let's use this.reward modelto continue training the larger model so that the model outputs responses that are more in line with human preferences, a process known as Reinforcement Learning through Human Feedback (RLHF).

To summarize.: allow the model to generate intelligence in predicting the next word, then supervised fine-tuning to allow the model to learn human question-and-answer patterns, and finally RLFH to allow the model to output answers that match human preferences.

That's the general idea behind ChatGPT.

Big model hit the wall

OpenAI scientists were among the first to believeCompression as IntelligenceGoogle made Transformer, but they couldn't make the kind of big bets that startups make.

DeepSeek V3 did pretty much the same thing as ChatGPT, as smart researchers were forced to use more efficient training techniques (MoE/FP8) because of US GPU export controls, they also had a top-notch infrastructure team, and ended up training a model that rivaled GPT-4o's, which cost more than $100 million to train, for only $5.5 million.

However, the focus of this paper is on R1.

The point here is that human-generated data will have been consumed by the end of 2024, and while the model size can easily be scaled up by a factor of 10 or even 100 as GPU clusters are added, the incremental amount of new data generated by humans each year is almost negligible compared to the existing data of decades and past centuries. And according to Chinchilla's Scaling Laws, for every doubling of model size, the amount of training data should also double.

This leads toPre-training to hit the wallThe fact that the model volume has increased by a factor of 10, but we no longer have access to 10 times more high quality data than we do now. the delay in the release of GPT-5 and the rumors that the big domestic model vendors don't do pre-training are all related to this problem.

RLHF is not RL.

On the other hand, the biggest problem with Reinforcement Learning Based on Human Preferences (RLFH) is that ordinary human IQ is no longer sufficient to evaluate model results. In the era of ChatGPT, the IQ of AI was lower than that of ordinary humans, so OpenAI could hire a lot of cheap labor to evaluate the output of AI: good/medium/poor, but soon with GPT-4o/Claude 3.5 Sonnet, the IQ of big models has surpassed that of ordinary humans, and only an expert-level annotator can help the model to improve.

Not to mention the cost of hiring an expert, but what happens after that? What happens after the expert? One day, the best experts won't be able to evaluate the model results, and the AI will have surpassed humans? No. AlphaGo played the 19th move against Lee Sedol, a move that, from the point of view of human preference, is never winnable, so if Lee Sedol were to do a Human Feedback (HF) evaluation of the AI's move, he would probably give a negative score as well. In this way, theAI will never escape the shackles of the human mind.The

You can think of AI as a student where the person grading him has changed from a high school teacher to a college professor, and the student gets better, but it's almost impossible to outperform the professor.RLHF is essentially a human-pleasing training method that makes the model output conform to human preference, but at the same time it kills thetranscends mankindpossibilities.

Regarding RLHF and RL, Andrej Karpathy has recently made similar comments ^[4]^ :

AI, like children, has two modes of learning. 1) Learning by imitating expert players (observe and repeat, i.e. pre-training, supervised fine-tuning), and 2) Winning by constant trial and error and reinforcement learning, my favorite simple example being AlphaGo.

Almost every amazing result of deep learning, and all themagicalThe source is always 2. Reinforcement learning (RL) is powerful, but reinforcement learning is not the same as human feedback (RLHF), and RLHF is not RL.

Attached is one of my earlier thoughts:

OpenAI's solution

Daniel Kahneman, in Thinking Fast and Slow, suggests that the human brain approaches questions with two modes of thinking: one type of question gives an answer without going through the mind, theThink fast., a class of questions that require a long Go-like test to give an answer, that is, thethink slowlyThe

Now that the training has come to an end, is it possible to make the quality of the answer better by adding more thinking time to the reasoning, i.e., when the answer is given? There is a precedent for this: scientists have long since discovered that adding the phrase "Let's think step by step" to a model's question allows the model to output its own thought process and ultimately give better results. their own thinking process, and ultimately give better results, which is known as the thought chain (Chain-of-Thought, CoT).

2024 After the big model pre-training hits the wall at the end of the yearUsing Reinforcement Learning (RL) to Train Model Thinking Chainsbecame the new consensus among all. This training dramatically improves performance on certain specific, objectively measurable tasks (e.g., math, coding). It entails starting with a common pre-trained model and training the chain of reasoning minds in a second stage using reinforcement learning, which is called Reasoning modelThe o1 model released by OpenAI in September 2024, and the o3 model released subsequently, are Reasoning models.

Unlike ChatGPT and GPT-4/4o, during the training of Reasoning models such as o1/o3, theHuman feedback doesn't matter anymore.because the results of each step of thinking can be automatically evaluated and thus rewarded/punished.Anthropic's CEO in yesterday's post ^[5]^ used thebreaking pointto describe this technology path: there is a powerful new paradigm that is in the early days of Scaling Law and can make significant progress quickly.

While OpenAI hasn't released details of their reinforcement learning algorithm, the recent release of DeepSeek R1 shows us a viable approach.

DeepSeek R1-Zero

I guess DeepSeek named its pure reinforcement learning model R1-Zero in homage to AlphaZero, the algorithm that outperforms the best players by playing itself and not learning any games.

To train a slow-thinking model, it is first necessary to construct data of good enough quality to contain the thought process and, if reinforcement learning is desired to be human-independent, it is necessary to quantitatively (well/badly) evaluate each step of the thinking so as to give rewards/penalties to the results of each step of the thinking.

As stated above: the two datasets, math and code, best fit the requirement that each step of the derivation of a mathematical formula can be verified for correctness, while the output of the code is verified by running it directly on the compiler.

As an example, we often see this reasoning process in math textbooks:

Let the root of the equation be x. Squaring both sides gives: x² = a - √(a+x)
Translating: √(a+x) = a - x²
Squaring again: (a + x) = (a - x²)²
Expand: a + x = a² - 2a x² + x⁴
Organize: x⁴ - 2a x² - x + (a² - a) = 0
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 x⁴ - 2a x² - x + (a² - a) = 0

This text above alone contains a complete chain of thought, and we can match the thought process and final answer with regular expressions to quantitatively evaluate the results of each step of the model's reasoning.

Similar to OpenAI, DeepSeek researchers trained reinforcement learning (RL) based on the V3 model on two types of data, math and code, which contain chains of thought, and they created a reinforcement learning algorithm called GRPO (Group Relative Policy Optimization), which ultimately yielded an R1-Zero model with a significant improvement in various inference metrics compared to DeepSeek V3, proving that the model's inference ability can be stimulated by RL alone.

this isAnother AlphaZero moment.The training process in R1-Zero does not rely on human intelligence, experience, or preferences at all, but only on RL to learn objective, measurable human truths, ultimately making the reasoning far better than all non-reasoning models.

However, the R1-Zero model simply performs reinforcement learning and does not perform supervised learning, so it does not learn the human question and answer pattern and cannot answer human questions. Moreover, it has a language mixing problem during the thinking process, speaking English at one time and Chinese at another, with poor readability. So the DeepSeek team:

1. A small amount of high-quality Chain-of-Thought (CoT) data was first collected for initial supervised fine-tuning of the V3 model.Resolved output language inconsistencies, obtaining a cold-start model.
2. They then performed an R1-Zero-like on this cold-start model of thePure RL training, and add a language consistency bonus.
3. Finally, in order to accommodate a more general and widespreadnon-reasoning task(e.g., writing, factual quizzes), they constructed a data set to fine-tune the model secondarily.
4. Combining inference and generalized task data for final reinforcement learning using mixed reward signals.

The process is probably:

Supervised Learning (SFT) - Reinforcement Learning (RL) - Supervised Learning (SFT) - Reinforcement Learning (RL)

After the above process, DeepSeek R1 is obtained.

DeepSeek R1's contribution to the world is to open-source the world's first closed-source (o1) Reasoning model, which now allows users around the world to see the model's reasoning before answering a question, i.e., the "inner monologue," and is completely free of charge.

More importantly, it reveals to researchers the secrets OpenAI has been hiding:Reinforcement Learning can train the strongest Reasoning models without relying on human feedback and purely RLSo in my mind the R1-Zero makes more sense than the R1. So in my mind, the R1-Zero makes more sense than the R1.

Aligning Human Taste VS Transcending Humanity

A couple months ago, I read Suno cap (a poem) Recraft Interviews with the founders ^[6]^ ^[7]^, Suno tries to make AI-generated music more pleasing to the ear, and Recraft tries to make AI-generated images more beautiful and artistic. I had a hazy feeling after reading it:Aligning models to human taste rather than objective truth seems to avoid the truly brutal, performance-quantifiable arena of big modelsThe

It's exhausting to compete with all your rivals on the AIME, SWE-bench, MATH-500 lists every day, and never know when a new model will come out and you'll be left behind. But human taste is like fashion: it doesn't improve, it changes, and Suno/Recraft are obviously wise enough to keep the most tasteful musicians and artists in the industry happy (which is hard, of course), the charts don't matter.

But the downside is also obvious: the improvement in results from your effort and dedication is also hard to quantify, e.g., is the Suno V4 really better than the V3.5? My experience is that the V4 is only a sonic improvement, not a creativity improvement. And.Models that rely on human taste are doomed to fail to outperform humans: If an AI derives a mathematical theorem that is beyond contemporary human understanding, it will be worshipped as God, but if Suno creates a piece of music that is outside the range of human taste and understanding, it may sound like mere noise to the average human ear.

The competition to align with objective truth is painful but mesmerizing because it has the potential to transcend the human.

Some rebuttals to the challenge

DeepSeek's R1 model, does it really outperform OpenAI?

Indicatively, the reasoning ability of R1Beyond all non-Reasoning modelsThe following are some examples of the types of equipment that can be used in the field, namely, ChatGPT/GPT-4/4o and Claude 3.5 Sonnet, with the same Reasoning model o1toward(math.) genusinferior to o3, but o1/o3 are both closed source models.

The actual experience for many may be different, as Claude 3.5 Sonnet is superior in its understanding of user intent.

DeepSeek collects user chats for training purposes.

staggerIf that were the case, then WeChat and Messenger would be the world's most powerful software. A lot of people have the misconception that chat software like ChatGPT will become smarter by collecting user chats for training purposes, but it's not true. If that were the case, then WeChat and Messenger would be able to make the world's strongest big models.

I'm sure you'll realize after reading this article: most of the average user's daily chat data doesn't matter anymore. rl models only need to be trained on very high-quality, chain-of-thought-informed reasoning data, such as math and code. This data can be generated by the model itself, without human annotation. So Alexandr Wang, CEO of Scale AI, a company that labels data for models, is likely now facing the prospect that future models will require less and less human labeling.

DeepSeek R1 is awesome because it secretly distills OpenAI's models

staggerR1's most significant performance gains come from reinforcement learning, and you can see that the R1-Zero model, which is pure RL and requires no supervised data, is also strong in inference. R1, on the other hand, uses some supervised learning data in its cold start, mainly for solving the language consistency problem, and this data does not improve the model's inference ability.

Additionally, many people are interested indistillateThere is a misunderstanding: distillation usually means using a powerful model as a teacher and using its output as a learning object for a student (Student) model with smaller parameters and worse performance, thus making the Student model more powerful, e.g., the R1 model can be used to distill the LLama-70B, theDistilled student model performance is almost certainly worse than the teacher model, but the R1 model performs better than o1 on some metricsSo to say that R1 distills from o1 is pretty stupid.

I asked DeepSeek It says it's an OpenAI model, so it's a shell.

Large models are trained without knowingcurrent time(math.) genusWho are you being trained by?,Train yourself on the H100 or the H800., a user on X gave the subtle analogy ^[8]^:It's like asking an Uber passenger what brand of tires he's riding on., the model has no reason to know this information.

Some feelings

AI has finally removed the shackles of human feedback, and DeepSeek R1-Zero has shown how to improve model performance with little to no human feedback, in its AlphaZero moment. Many people have said that "AI is as smart as the humans", but this may no longer be true. If the model can derive the Pythagorean Theorem from right triangles, there is reason to believe that one day it will be able to derive theorems that existing mathematicians have yet to discover.

Does writing code still make sense? I don't know. This morning I saw the popular project llama.cpp on Github, where a code-sharer submitted a PR stating that he had boosted the speed of WASM operations by 2x by accelerating SIMD instructions, and the code for 99% was done by DeepSeek R1 ^[9]^, which is surely not junior-engineer-level code anymore, and I can no longer say that AI can only replace junior programmers.

ggml : x2 speed for WASM by optimizing SIMD

Of course, I'm still very happy about this, the boundaries of human capabilities have been expanded once again, well done DeepSeek!

bibliography

1. Wikipedia: AlphaGo versus Lee Sedol
2. Nature: Mastering the game of Go without human knowledge
3. The New Yorker: ChatGPT is a blurry JPEG of the web
4. X: Andrej Karpathy
5. On DeepSeek and Export Controls
6. Suno Founder Interview: Scaling Law Is Not a Panacea, at Least for Music
7. Recraft Interview: 20 people, 8 months to make the best Vincennes big model, the goal is the AI version of Photoshop!
8. X: DeepSeek forgot to censor their bot from revealing they use H100 not H800.
9. ggml : x2 speed for WASM by optimizing SIMD